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Member round table with Soul

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Greetings everyone! Some of you know me, unfortunately a lot of our new members have not had the pleasure of interacting with me due to my absence recently. i know we have done one of these before but with the way things have been going lately and my reappearance i feel it is best if we do this again. This topic is going to be a safe constructive place for you, the members of SG to let me know what is on your mind and what are some things that can be done to make your stay here better. This topic will be for you to share the things you feel need some work, maybe there are things that are missing, certain rules that are not clear, or just simple ideas you feel can help this place out. This is not a bashing or name calling topic, and any post that is sarcastic, rude, or not helpful will be deleted. This is meant to allow the members to use their voice and help staff find direction. We value your opinions and ideas and want to know what we as staff can do for you, the member. This place belongs to you, and your happiness is the most important things.

 

Keep in mind we will listen and consider every idea here, and we will take into consideration everything we can. However some ideas may not get used, or will be tweaked for the better of the site. SG is a wonderful fun environment for everyone to role play and enjoy themselves, and i want nothing more to make your experience here as enjoyable as possible. This topic is a chance for you to connect with me, even if you think nothing is wrong, use this chance to get to know me, or let me get to know you. You are the life blood of Shinobi Generations.

 

So please, let your voice be heard!

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Buff Uchiha and Hyuuga by removing the blindness, makes no sense that they have such a godawful negative when nothing like that has been shown in canon and Uchihas especially are kind of underpowered here.

 

I'd also like to see bonuses for starting without a clan or bloodline cuz I could have made a bloodline myself and been a superior version of my character, kinda sucks that theirs really no incentive to go bloodlineless or clanless.

 

Let everyone have the ability to make a style. It makes sense that those who specialize in Taijutsu and Bukijutsu would get more slots, but I think everyone should at least have one slot, even if they have to buy it. For example, Medical Specialists have an intricate knowledge of the body along with chakra scalpel, thats just begging to get turned into a fighting style.

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I think the mission grinding should be reworked.

 

It forces the players who want to level up to churn out a quantity over quality, makes the staff and mods read too many threads that they shouldn't have to, and seems very impersonal.

 

I think it would be better to take off the D,C,B,A,S ranking system and replace it with the shinobi ranking system. So there are abilities that become available when advancing to chunin, then jonin, and then to kage. Exams can still be used to advance people but it isn't the winners but those the judges deem to be good rpgers.

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Uh...Hello.

 

I would like to see plot driven and character development threads given more meaning. I want to roleplay and be successful...this is my first roleplay site after all...but from what I have seen discussed in the chat and seen on the board you get more from grinding out rather meaningless mission post then you would for actually advancing personal or site plot.

 

So I humbly ask that you reconsider your stance of mission, exp, and so on, in order to encourage quality over quantity. After reading up about the Naruto series I understand that missions for lower level characters is something very important to the series, but I'd rather see people earn more EXP for quality story advancement and character development. 

 

Also...I understand that fights happen and characters can die in some cases, but I'd like if you would consider some way to discourage it. I understand that soon the Villages will be enemies and may have wars and fights and that people die in wars, but maybe consider offering more EXP for not killing another character when there is no plot reason for it. Such as...uh...like if Lightning and Flame have a war people must mark the thread a Warzone thread in which joining they understand they can be killed, but they are also offered triple the EXP for participating or something. 

 

This is my first ever try at doing roleplaying so maybe I am just being naive about how it is suppose to work. I would just like to be rewarded something for playing the character and growing their story and not just grinding out meaningless post. 

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10 minutes ago, Hiyoku said:

Also...I understand that fights happen and characters can die in some cases, but I'd like if you would consider some way to discourage it. I understand that soon the Villages will be enemies and may have wars and fights and that people die in wars, but maybe consider offering more EXP for not killing another character when there is no plot reason for it. Such as...uh...like if Lightning and Flame have a war people must mark the thread a Warzone thread in which joining they understand they can be killed, but they are also offered triple the EXP for participating or something.

 

I doubt that anyone here actually wants to kill another member's character. It is really frowned upon and considered rude across all RPGs.

 

Besides, no hit can land without your character giving permission for it to land, so you can say that you dodged what would be considered a fatal blow.

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I actually really like the dual ranking system. It's probably the main reason I decided to join SG. I love the idea of a Genin being able to have S rank power instead of being limited by their village rank. 

 

The exp system here is nice, but so far it seems just encouraging quantity over quality and mission grinding. What happened to having an actual meaningful plot and character development? Why do spars and training fights not net exp? Esp if it's a student against a teacher (i.e. Anyone of higher village ranking or shinobi ranking fighting a lower ranking character to train them. In that case the lower ranking should gain more exp because they are learning. Whereas the higher ranking should also gain exp from this, but not as much. The exp gain would be for exp on their job area such as a jounin becoming more accustomed to teaching genin.)

 

uchiha are in definite need of a buff because right now they are pretty useless. I've mentioned it cb already, but I know I can come up with a well balanced system for the sharingan and mangekyo sharingan and share it with staff for them to make final adjustments on if they'd like me to. 

 

Other than rhat im still pretty new here so I don't really see anything else atm. 

 

Thanks for the opportunity to give feedback! ^.^

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I mean if you are writing quality then the current bonus system should be making it worth your time. The staff may need to adjust the bonus handouts to make that the priority, but the grinding thing is created by members who just want to word dump in a mission and then get out. 

 

Can't blame the staff for people treating this like a video game rather than a ROLEPLAY. If we were more focused on writing stories rather than just ranking up really fast then we wouldn't have the issue at all, I see this as a member issue not a staff issue. 

 

I'd like to see the systems cleaned up, simplified where necessary, write the systems that need to be written, and for Bloodlines to be completely redone because right now the only incentive to have one is for flavor text. I mean you could make a bloodline cost a lot, making a fresh character with a bloodline start behind a character without, but as they are I wouldn't even bother. 

 

I'd also really love to see an event board so that stuff we do IC shows up in the world so people from one village to the next can react to the changing world they see. 

 

I have a HUGE list of things that should get an update/fix, but I just wanted to try my member legs out :P

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55 minutes ago, Kazuo Enomoto said:

 

I doubt that anyone here actually wants to kill another member's character. It is really frowned upon and considered rude across all RPGs.

 

Besides, no hit can land without your character giving permission for it to land, so you can say that you dodged what would be considered a fatal blow.

 

I don't believe that is the case here. You can mark threads as NK but that can be worked around if someone has a reason to kill you, you can kill someone without their permission if you have valid IC reason to do so. 

 

As for me there are a couple things I've noticed that I would like to be thought about.

 

One is the consistency of how mods grade things like jutsu. I don't know if there needs to be a more in depth guide about the approval process, I think mods just need to provide more explanation about their decisions. Example, on one jutsu Drak asked me to change the chakra cost from a turn based to a flat cost. But he did not say why. Not trying to be mean, but when stuff like that happens it is confusing. I feel sometimes that the decisions are based more on how the mod is feeling that day then any real rigid structure. So I guess I'd just like mods to explain their decisions more and make the process easier to understand and perhaps expand upon how the approval process works. 

 

Another thing I would like to see reconsider is the canon clans being village locked. I understand the point but I think it is a shallow way to encourage diversity by going "Oh you joined this site and want to be an Uchiha because it is a site based on the Naruto manga well you HAVE to be a Water ninja or be marked for death." Very few people want to put up with that. I think the villages should be encouraged to make their own custom clans and have THOSE be village locked, because no one is going to have any preconceived notions about those clans and how they work. That way we can go "Look all of our villages have different unique clans you can join." rather than, "This village is holding your favorite clan hostage so you MUST be a nin there." I don't see any real benefit to keeping them locked vs opening them to everyone. 

 

People have already mentioned the mission system and sparring but I'd like to expand on the sparring aspect. It makes no sense that you cannot gain experience from a fight unless someone is seriously maimed or dies. You're telling me a D rank mission where I pull a cat out of a tree is more valuable towards my experience as a Jounin than a knock down drag out fight with my fellow A ranked brother? If the staff is concerned about people "farming" exp this way I have several suggestions. One if the staff thinks the fights are "fixed" you cannot use them to get exp. If they think it is fishy then they say no, end of story. Two, consider adjusting the exp gain. As it is now it scales based on the rank of a defeated nin. you get 50 exp for beating an A rank whether you're D or X rank. Instead make it be "If you beat someone of equal rank get 50 exp". That way you always get around the same amount and higher level people can't use it as a more effective way to level up than missions. 

 

Other small ideas would be to make the canon clan pages have an OOC roster so you know how many PC's a clan has before you try and join it. If I think of anything else I'll make more posts. 

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Only thing I can think is having varying village ranks. For example how Anbu is listed and there isn't one for Medical Corps. Could be possible that you can branch off after joining for example me going into the Medical Corps, but currently that is unavailable since it doesn't exist and someone has to establish it.

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So bear with me because I have a long list to get through here regarding a lot of the issues I've noticed during my stay on the site and must of it has stemmed from the member base itself.

So with us now losing members and Drak stepping down from Staff, I think it's pretty safe to say a lot of things need to be reconsidered and changed. What I've seen as a whole is every man is out for themselves in regards to getting what they want for their Characters. The systems have been changed time and time again because this person thinks this is unfair, or this person loses out on something. This has also been the case with staff and the evidence of such disagreements has wound up on the Chatbox for the site as a whole to see.

 

Which brings me to my second point. Punishment for breaking rules needs to be harsher. Time and time again rules of the Chatbox have been broken where one individual has started a topic of conversation which has led to an all out argument between many people. While not necessarily an offense, the toxicity of the chatbox has been atrocious and is not something new or old members alike should be seeing. The reason I say this is the fact repeat offenders are seeing no repercussions of their actions other than a tiny slap on the wrists. The reason I bring this up is a situation that arose between one member and a member of Staff which resulted in that member getting an ADMIN COMMAND WARNING. I've yet to see any others get any kind of ''Warning'' and to me, it seemed more like that command was used to settle the persons pride more than anything. I've sat and watched as people like Kiyoko, Rei and Drak have slaved only to be bitched at for simply following the grading guidelines. They take the time out of their own Rping and free time to help people get their shit approved so to me they need to be treated with more respect.

 

Next I think it safe to say we need better communication between our staff because it's evident we have already lost two great staff members over issues on-site. I can't be bothered writing much more but to me, a lot of the issues like these need to be considered before Systems start changing. Now is the time to tread carefully what with now losing 3 Staff Members and 1 being away on Vacation.

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I mentioned this in the cbox earlier (and probably came off more rudely than I intended to, so I'm sorry about that), but to add it here;

 

I think the overall layout of the site could use a bit of tidying. As a new user it has been really frustrating trying to find things as I've been trying to create and set up my character, even with the (extremely helpful and super great idea btw) "Getting Started" thread and little thing on the side with links to the different systems on the site. It took me quite a while to find actual jutsu and examples of what is available on the site so that I could try and figure out what type of character to play because creations that get approved stay in the creation center rather than there being an "Approved X/Y/Z" thing that's visible from the home page. I only found them by going into the creation page thinking I'd at least be able to see what people were making to get an idea and then seeing lists of accepted jutsu.

 

But even then, they're all just the threads that people submitted, so it's a little bit tedious to just scroll through things looking to see if a particular item or technique exists, rather than there being a thread that lists all the items, or items of a particular type even -- same for jutsu. I think a lot of just OOC organization stuff could make the site more attractive and more new-user friendly. I know stuff has been up in the air and there's a lot of burden on only a few people, so I'm not trying to be like "You guys are doing a bad job plz git gud" or anything. I just haven't really gotten to participate in IC stuff yet, but I figured I could at least give my opinion on the OOC stuff.

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What Rue said about harsher punishments. There's been A LOT of fuckery around lately. Some systems on site have gone from functional to shit real fast, and this is mainly due to carelessness on a few staffs' parts and a few members' abuse of that carelessness.

 

Which brings me back to harsher punishments. I think 6 warning points are too many. Bring it down to 3 or 4. I personally prefer a zero tolerance policy, or even a 2 strikes - 1 site ban policy. Some fuckery is being cancerous to the site, and in my own view, the site's got stage 4 brain cancer.

 

Now about the cancer cells, aka trolls. In the midst of the mess happening with staff at the moment, trolls and duckweeds are coming on site and thinking they can do whatever the damn hell they please. Something I partially blame the advertising contest for. And a few, I have spotted, have managed to encourage trolling in some way. My suggested solution to this is to close registration to the site. We have a solid member base for now, with it being a site that's only a few months old, and in honesty not enough staff to manage it as is. The ratio of staff to members is super unbalanced. So I suggest closing registration to the site from the public, and going invite only. At the very least, until things onsite have been situated and balanced again. Clean house before we open house.

 

Right now I'm half in, half out with wether or not I even want to be on site anymore. Arguing and starting fights in the cbox has led to A LOT of toxicity on site, and it's ruining all the fun everyone was having here.

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On 8/8/2017 at 3:33 PM, Drak said:

I'd also really love to see an event board so that stuff we do IC shows up in the world so people from one village to the next can react to the changing world they see. 

I 200 percent agree with this. As loremaster, I thought of this in the form of updating storyline and lore but an event board might be cleaner. We could discuss that, but I want this.

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32 minutes ago, Mixoris said:

I 200 percent agree with this. As loremaster, I thought of this in the form of updating storyline and lore but an event board might be cleaner. We could discuss that, but I want this.

 

I feel anything significant could be included in this. Stuff like the Kage position changing in Fire. It would be nice because I asked before, "Hey if someone decides to just make a topic somewhere attacking the village how do I know about it? Do I just have to go through every board every day?" and while yes if anything significant did happen someone would probably notice and tell others I feel like that shouldn't be the go to solution. 

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+1 Rue

+1 Reimei

 

Agree with those points 100%. The lack of punishment in the CB is starting to get a little irritating, it has stopped people I have invited from joining the site and the toxicity levels are just starting to rise day by day. Not punishing people has made others think that it's alright to troll or be toxic in the CB. 

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@reimei @rue @meiko this worries me. If this toxic behavior persists and i am active at the time give me a nudge. if this happens at times i am mostly away or asleep, for reference i am gmt-3, please notify me or another staff members so we know during which timeframes this incidents occur. I personally have no problem with civil healthy arguments but i do not like when the line is crossed.

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@Kiyoko No worries hun, this issue has been resolved Thanks to Soul and our new Chatbox mods! Everything is much better now <3

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Honestly I think a good solution to some restrictions like mind reading or mind control is if the controller/reader got the permission of the other person to do it OOC. It's best we encourage communication and stuff!

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Im not gonna go into a large rant but maybe the rank up system needs to be revamped...(lower the standard)

 

Also the fact that we are not rewarded for casual RP...the story building of the character...I get you all are trying to push missions build to really build a character you need a story behind it all..maybe we can change that...it doesnt have to be MP but atleast be something that benefits the character

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I don't think it's a good thing for canon things to just be c+p'd from the wikia. That's plagiarism. We could get in trouble for that.

 

I say we no longer accept copy pasted canon forms and have people rewrite them in their own words (Not just one or two words off). It's no different than writing custom properties so why not?

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27 minutes ago, Lillian said:

I don't think it's a good thing for canon things to just be c+p'd from the wikia. That's plagiarism. We could get in trouble for that.

That doesn't make sense. No one here is taking the information from the wikia and trying to publish it as their own work. We're a fan site.

 

27 minutes ago, Lillian said:

I say we no longer accept copy pasted canon forms and have people rewrite them in their own words (Not just one or two words off). It's no different than writing custom properties so why not?

Why make it more difficult than it has to be? Don't fix it if it ain't broken.

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13 minutes ago, Hannah Uzumaki said:

That doesn't make sense. No one here is taking the information from the wikia and trying to publish it as their own work. We're a fan site.

 

Why make it more difficult than it has to be? Don't fix it if it ain't broken.

I agree, it isn't like someone is taking the Sharingan and claiming it as their own custom doujutsu

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56 minutes ago, Lillian said:

I don't think it's a good thing for canon things to just be c+p'd from the wikia. That's plagiarism. We could get in trouble for that.

No offense, but it doesn't matter.

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